Pastor Rich and Sarah interview two pastors about their work fighting social justice. We discuss Jesus, refugees, ICE, and the difference between Christian denominations. What are the signs of a church leader preaching White Christian Nationalism? How would brown, refugee Jesus view what is happening now with ICE detention centers? How do these pastors preach to their congregations about such divisive issues?
Chris Lantz is a UMC Pastor in Indiana. He is one of the original organizers of ICE detention vigils in Indiana.
Pastor Barbara Berry-Bailey is Assistant to the Bishop of the Ricky Mountain Synod (ELCS) for Diversity Equity and Inclusion.
Merry Christmas everyone. We at Project Next hope you have a beautiful time with your loved ones.









